PA should privatize the liquor business . We are only one of two states still living in the stone age.

Government Monopolies are hardly ever good. I'm surprised only 53% support privatization. Besides, I'm sure Corbett has some buddies who could profit terribly from this proposition.

PA liquor stores pays for itself without tax payers help. All the profit made goes back into the state. Selling off the stores for a quick profit isn't a good idea. It is a Monopoly but one that benefits tax payers in the end.

Shifting Liquor sales to PA beer distributors, like Corbett plans, doesn't seem like much of an improvement, just hurting state employees to cater to a different special interest.

All the State monopoly does is drive up prices and support a useless bureaucracy. End it now!

Make it easier for wine, beer and liquor buyers to get their products in PA and pay PA taxes - better for PA residents and if done properly better for the state as well.

Government has NO business in the selling of alcohol.

The greatest benefit for Pennsylvania is...that's one less Union we have to deal with.

This is the worst of two worlds. First we have an inefficient gov't monopoly, with limited selection and high prices, followed secondly by a high priced union controlled work force. Drive across the border to Delaware or New Jersey and compare prices and selection. Amazing the cost savings to individuals in those two states.

So, nobody cares about 5000 good paying jobs just disappearing?

Nobody cares about shady liquor stores opening up on every corner?

Sure, it would be nice to pickup a bottle of wine at a Supermarket, but how do you just kick 5000 people to the curb? This needs to be looked at thoroughly rather than the way Corbett is short-sighting it.

I'm not an alarmist Charlie. I'm actually a realist.

Have it your way...lets take out ALL other negatives of privatization. Can you honestly say you have a solution for the 5000 workers to find a good paying job?

Picture yourself, a relative, or neighbor working the past 20-30 years as a PLCB worker. Could you honestly look them in the eye and tell them that everything will be fine?

Find a solution to this ONE issue, and I'll gladly find ways to deal with the other issues.

Charlie D ..... My husband happens to be one of those 5,000 + employees. Yes, all of those jobs will be phased out with the liquor stores and most will join the ranks of the unemployed - which the state (we the tax payer) pays for. Also, there is tremendous yearly profit from the liquor stores - all of which goes into a "rainy day" fund - which bails the state out when it finds itself in trouble from things like overspending. I fail to see how a 1 shot deal will be more than a temporary benefit. Also, I come from the West Coast, where alcohol is privatized and let me tell you, there are many more problems that come with privatization - such as kids shoplifting alcohol, poor selection of products, no stores in certain areas, too many stores in others and yes, higher prices too. Shop around - PA has decent prices.

There aren't 5000 people who work for the PLCB and of those that do 34% are part time. The $80M the PLCB turned in last year goes into the General Fund just like it does every year and not the "rainy day" fund. Shoplifting is not a problem because of privatization, it is a problem due to lack of security. People shoplift in state stores too. Like other stores you will find the better ones near population centers. The largest PLCB store is about 11,000 sg ft. Go across the river and see Moore Brothers, Total Wine, Joe Canal's or Roger Wilco and they all are 25,000-30,000 sq ft. Who do you think has a better selection and why do you see all those PA plates in their parking lot?

Sorry for the incorrect figure.

There are only 3500 PLCB Unionized workers, and 1500 non-Union that are directly related to this industry.

So, my 5000 figure includes both.

So....back to my point...Are these workers going to be fine? Are you "fine" with that?

PA has decent prices? On what? Almost every item is significantly overpriced...And not to diminish the loss of jobs, but lets face the facts,most are overpaid for the job they do..Most of the employees are simply shelve stockers and cashiers,.

So a state worker at a PLCB store should be paid more then the cashier at McDonalds? Should they be equal? Mr Trappe Resident, please tell me the difference in the inequality of salaries...

Stephen. Why would a state store worker agree to work less than half of what they make now. As far as that goes why would they work for half as much as they would to sit at home on unemployment. That's what's never mentioned. How much of these so called profits are going to have to pay unemployment for 5000 people.

Wine is more expensive in NJ than PA. By far. Nonsense to say otherwise. I have no dog in this fight, but the facts are the facts.

I don't want anything that this corrupt Governor proposes and his political allies! He is a crook!

Even his son in law is on the take! Anyone associated with him! Beware folks! He and his allies are there to serve themselves and deny others a liveable wage!

Actually Steven the worker would only have to go back to work if the work is available from the same company that laid them off This would not be the case. You cannot make someone go to work for someone they would not want to work for its called free will.

I'm still not sold on the benefit of privatization beyond simply getting the commonwealth out of the liquor business. Some discuss convenience and selection or price, others are obviously anti-union. To me, with the commonwealth facing a serious budget deficit, it's about the revenue. The one time revenue from the sale of licenses doesn't seem worth the loss of some $80+ million brought in annually. People speculate that that revenue will be regenerated thru the taxes on sales, but won't that just drive up prices? And if competition drives down prices, won't that in turn drive down revenue? Delaware and New Jersey don't have the 18% Johnstown Flood Tax. That just makes me think the PA prices will end up being 18% higher. And the loss of jobs is a real issue, even if you're against the notion of public workers. There's no reason to suspect that existing grocery stores or beer distributors will hire more workers or to think that twice as many stores will open up. That implies that consumption would double. I'm just at a loss as to why no one from Corbett's administration hasn't put together a true cost/benefit analysis on this issue which makes it seem more emotional than pragmatic.

@Stephen- so, what is the % of tax that is going to be added by the state to make up the loss revenue? Will the total be more than 25%? I'm a business person. Show me the numbers. I'm not interested in anedotals like; "people won't go across the border to purchase". Ok, what's the projected revenue from those patrons? Where are the numbers? It shouldn't be impossible to present those to the public. Your last comment seems optimistic at best, or indifferent at worst. I'm assuming that if your working at a liquor store, it's because it's a job. The commonwealth is still experiencing about 8% unemployment. Jobs aren't just falling out of trees.

Even if every single employee winds up on unemployment,there will be as many jobs created to fill the new positions,so net-net,little if any job loss...

One quick example if wine prices locally on a very basic Merlot

Blackstone Merlot
PLCB-$11.99
Total Wine Delaware 6.97
Joe Canals7.09

Kendall Jackson Vinters Reserve Chardonnay
PLCB-14.99
total wine-8.99
joe Canals 11.09

So where s the 25% markup on NJ, still significantly lower then PLCB

@Albert- that you for the objective response. Since you seem informed on the subject, do you think that privatization will equate to a revenue neutral outcome based on what you're seeing? Again, not dissing the plan outright, just trying to understand the numbers.

You are correct Stephen. The word being "reasonable". Half the pay and no benefits wouldn't be reasonable to someone who has had that pay and benefits for 20 years. The employee would not even bother to put in an application for that position.

Wow, this thread exploded!

I don't have time to reply directly to everyone who commented.

I see the following viewpoints here:

* Anti-Union people - Still don't understand this group of people unless your a business owner in a Unionized industry. Like them or not, they never did anything to you. You have them to thank for a lot of rules and regulations, and quite frankly, the increased salaries we all enjoy.

* Alcoholics - Will bash anything that increases the cost of their addiction.

* Selfish - Those who have no problem spouting off about people loosing their jobs. This is a SERIOUS issue. ONE persons decision (Corbett) to seriously affect the livelihoods of several thousand people should not be applauded or commended. To say they will find a new job is absurd. Have you looked for a job lately?

* Those who think a certain job is overpaid - This is the worst. And unfortunately the most unhealthy way to go about your own lives. What really confuses me about these people, is that they usually don't even know how much these people make. I don't know exactly what PLCB Unionized workers make per hour, but I'm pretty sure it's under $20/hr for the vast majority. Folks, $40K per year is not enough to support a family. There is nobody getting rich stocking your bottles of hooch!
If you want to get upset at overpaid positions....take a look at CEO's. I will let you slide on these people.

Could not agree with you more trappe resident. The thing that lost in this is what ever you think of unions or what the job they do "you" think is worth is that these clerks are good hard working people that work every single weekend and holidays to serve the public the best they can. Which is not easy with alcoholics. They buy homes and have family's to support and give back to the economy.

Trappe, So basically the worst offender is someone who thinks someone else is overpaid. They are too ignorant to know what the person is paid, how about not knowing what the person's workload is. You invalidated everything you said when you felt the need to slam CEOs....showing your own ignorance. I can guarantee you don't know what they are paid and how many hours they put into their jobs. You are clueless! More class warfare!

There is a reason that there are only 2 states left in the nation that universally control the distribution of wine and spirits in their state: it is a flawed, archaic idea. Privatization would add billions to the state coffers in auction sales. Privatization would create a whole new industry in the state, spawning new business owners, competition and more competitive pricing and selection to neighboring states. Privatization would eliminate a huge real estate and pension burden for the state. Pennsylvania has no business in running a consumer business.

trappe maybe clueless.. but i am not. i know what a few of these guys make, and while its nothing compared to CEO's they are paid decent enough to live. i also know their workload, and how many hours some of these employees put in, and judging by what i RIGHTFULLY know, they all make what they should with the work they do.

Why can't an average Joe buy a business? Don't you realize how many average Joes already own businesses? You people have been so brainwashed by Obama. Not every business owner is a rich, unfeeling, pampered bastard! Somehow you can't get a fair shake unless the government gives it to you...I feel sorry for you if you really believe that. I would have to say though, that Obama has made it harder for the average Joe to own a business.

Brooke The governors plan has a licensing fee of $150,000 dollars. I don't know very many "average joes" that had that kind of dough just laying around. Definiatly not any of the union workers.

The reason, and only reason,PLCB employees earn the salary and benefits they get is be ause it is a union government job..You get a salary increase by serving time, not because you are doing a fantastic job..in the real world,it is how you perform your job,not how long you have been there,that dictates how much you earn...and lets not forget the state stores are closed on holidays such as 4th of July,Memorial Day,Labor dya..Probably 3 days that adjoining states make a siginifcant profit..

It's called getting investors! Most people can't afford to open any business on their own, you need loans, investors etc... It is obvious that some of you are having a hard time being objective here. Your love of unions and complete disdain for Corbett is obvious. I recently moved to the area. I am waiting to see what the investigation turns up in regard to Corbett and the Sandusky case. I can bet lot of you people still love Joe though! I hear the excuses for him all the time.

These are civil service jobs which means you go take a test and get put on a list then only the top percentage are hired. Once hired you serve a probationary period to become put on permanatly. Then to move up the ladder to better positions and better pay you go take another test to see if qualify for that position. Nothing is given to you by simply waiting for time to pass.

Oh brother, Jess, you are kidding right? Teh PLCB is in the service industry, and most,if not all, are open on major holidays..Why, becuase most are in the business to MAKE money,alas not the PLCB...and John Doe,what you do get is raises based on years of service, PLUS benefits most workers could only dream of.

Trappe resident, MANY people have lost their jobs in the last several years, and didn't find jobs that pay the same salary as they previously earned...Nobody is guaranteed a job,or salary

Jess, Did you really feel the need to correct spelling? Thank God we don't school you on how to capitalized the first letter of a sentence....don't be so small! People are writing quickly. We are not in Comp 101! Also, maybe we should close hospitals on holidays...it's just NOT FAIR that these poor people have to take care of sick people on a holiday! Grow up! Be happy you have a job in this economy! And yes Jess, there really are employers in the REAL world who pay their employees a fair wage and give them the best benefit package they can afford.. Of course they can't give the same benefits as the government because they can't just print money or take other people's money when then run out!

Qdogpa. I know personally that getting raises is only based on time for the first couple years and those raises are very minimal then it caps off. The only way to get another raise is to go take a test and qualify for a higher position.

I am extremely liberal and fully support unions. But, I do not think the State has any place in selling alcohol. The state should regulate the sale and tax the sale but not make the sale. (PA is the worlds largest purchaser of wine and spirits - that is just wrong) So, in my estimation PA should get out of the Liquor sales business.

How they do this is critical. I would not want to get into a NJ situation where liquor licenses have a high value and the state cannot issue more because it would dilute the value of existing licenses. Any retail establishment should be able to apply for a license - without limit. Maybe the cost of the licenses could be used to hire inspectors to ensure the rules are being followed. This would address some of the unemployment from the State Stores.

Brooke please tell me you did not just compare having to go to the hospital with a medical emergency to you getting a bottle of vodka on Memorial Day.

5,000 people may look like a lot when looking at 5,000 people but they disappear when looking at a state of 12.7 Million. 5,000 people should not hold up the progress of an entire state.

5000 people "may" lose their jobs, but at least that number will be hired to fill positions in the newly created businesses..net-net, little if any job loss...

Going no where with this. I QUIT. But i will not be supporting this, EVER! I am for the PLCB employees KEEPING their jobs!

So you think it is ok for the state to have a monopoly on liquor,overcharge for the products they sell,pay very generous benefits and salary for a job many people would agree is not demanding ? The problem is the government has promised and paid too much to its employees, and can no longer afford to do so...The time has come for government to shrink, and the start is the demise of the PLCB

You only need to compare what a cashier/shelf stocker makes in the free market and you will have your answer if they are over-paid compared to the marketplace.

The lowest paid Liquor Store Manager 1 in the PLCB makes $31,472 not counting overtime. That works out to $15.13 per hour. The next lowest LSM1 makes $36.147 (17.38/hr) which leads me to believe that the first pay is somehow based on time.and that there is a good jump that happens because there isn't any pay rate in the middle between the two.

Forget salary for a second,lol, how about the benefits??? Many people could only dream they had those type of benefits, and if your DH can make the kind of money you hint at in the private market,great..But for a taxpayer to pay these type salaries AND More importantly healthcare and retirement costs, time to get rid of government intervention

I didn't say one way or another, I said to compare it to the market rate and that will tell you if society thinks they are over paid. If the norm for a cashier/shelf stocker is $17 /hr then they are not, if it is less then they are. Of course one needs to include the value of benefits in the comparison too. I have that around here somewhere, let me see what I can dig up.

Wow, a lot happened when I out. First, I was NOT comparing doctors to other workers. The argument I was referring to was the "it's not fair" argument. Life isn't fair. Is it fair that I have to pay out the wazoo for crap benefits? Jesse, obviously you are not behaving your best because you are rightfully stressed about the possibility of your husband losing his job. No one takes pleasure in that. Unfortunately, the economy is not getting better as some people want us to believe. More and more people are feeling it. They thought it was just the next guy that was going to get screwed...news flash...we all are screwed. In regard to liquor stores, people want variety and convenience...bottom line! I don't know what you expect to get paid or how much upward mobility you expect for stocking shelves. It doesn't require a college degree!

@ Thomas Jefferson - the link you posted is almost 3 years old. You can't say "currently" based on information that old.as it has no bearing.

@Albert Brooks,in 2009-2010 it was a 2.3 billion shortfall, in 2010-2011 it was a 3 billion dollar shortfall, and last year they made 800 million in cuts to try and break even. However, do I really need to spell that out? Unless you are living in cave, it's common knowledge the State has been battling insolvency. Including the ultimate irony when the city of Harrisburg had to declare bankruptcy. Are you satisfied now or do I need to email you the budget reports?

This is our of control. My argument is that if we can KEEP these jobs and keep these people employeed than thats good enough for me. You are telling me you want convenience, and that does not seem like a big enough argument to abolish the PLCB to me. Either way, corrupt corbett needs an additional signature for this to go through, and guess what! SHES NOT SIGNING!!! So we can go back and forth, bottom line, the one signature he needs, wont happen!

It isn't even a bill yet so your screeching about signatures is meaningless.

Jesse, I don't mean to sound harsh, but it doesn't matter what is good enough for you personally. The question is...What is best for Pa.? In regard to the one woman...I guess the union bought her off. Funny, how you slam Corbett for being a sell out. I guess it depends on what side of the fence you are on whether it's acceptable or not!

I just have 1 question for Albert Brooks. What do you do for a living? Please be honest. Thank you

I sell rare books.

Brooke- who is saying this female was bought out? Is this facts? Because I know for a fact corbett was on the board at penn state. And after this investigation, it will either confirm corbett was paid to keep the touching of little boys under wraps or turn up he did not. Whos to say corbett is doing this for the better of the state, or for the better of him and his friends?

Scfranklin- Yes!!! Great question!

Soo albert?

sorry, phone didnt update before I sent..

Can I ask a question.. if you sell rare books, why are you so hell bent on this? I looked you up on facebook, and your crazy into this PLCB abolishing.

Actually the people say he is doing it for the betterment of the state. You can go back decades and show that the citizens wanted to be rid of the PLCB.

Thanks - I was just hear reading some posts. I did reply to one aforemention post from an individual that believes anyone will be able to buy these licenses. As a banker - I can assure you that is not the case. Please read my above reply to the "intheweeds" post. Thank you and have a great day to all.

Your comment did not tell me why YOU specifically are so hell bent over this? Your freaking profile picture is someone pissing on the PLCB. Why does this affect YOU so much? Someone who isnt directly affected by something does not go this psycho over something. This affects me, my family, my friends and close to 4500 other people and their family.

Your right it is what's best for Pennsylvania. All of Pennsylvania. There are many state stores in rural areas that do not make a profit. The state keeps these open so the people in these areas have access to the product even though they lose money. In areas there's 25 between stores. Obviously a private investor isn't going to invest in one of these stores to lose money. It won't be convenient at all for these people to have to make a 50 mile round trip to buy their bottle of wine

So the state should provide a liquor store even though they lose money,but it is convenient for people in rural areas? That is ludicrous...There are parts of this country with no internet access or cell access becuase of the rural nature of where they live..I don't see other states rushing in to provide those services..Good riddance to the PLCB,i hope

I don't like the PLCB, Never have, never will. I've lived in 9 other states, and 3 other countries and the PLCB is by far the worst of any with regards to alcohol and the treatment of the citizens. It is socialism. The control what you can buy, where you can buy, when you can buy and they have their own brands. There is little to no over-site, they are corrupt, filled with patronage crony filled jobs, and if that wasn't bad enough - incompetent at what they do. Some people like baby seals. I like getting rid of the PLCB.

John Doe, I have been following this issue - a little - not a lot. However, thats the problem I see will all these polls. It is easy to ask anyone a closed-ended question, but with an issue like this an open-ended question would provide a better sampling. What I mean is that the polls ask folks if they "strongly" favor or "somewhat" favor this change. They then lump the results of the strongly with the somewhat together. Well - what does somewhat really mean ? Those folks (like me) are probably saying they need to know exactly how it will affect everything & everyone (not just me) before they totally commit to it. I believe the folks that just want this to happen, no matter the result, will strongly support it, but I do believe the real majority is not totally sold on it. I don't mean to offend anyone it is just my opinion. I am trying to stay open minded and not buy into what I want to hear - from either side.

It's not a question of if they should be open in rural areas and lose money. They do. These people will lose their access to the product.

I dont believe for one second you are only a "rare book seller" .. there is something else to you. But as stated above, maybe by you (who knows at this point & I'm not searching) this is not even a bill. You talk about corruption, please tell me how un corrupted politicians are? How un corrupted the government is? How un corrupted you are for following these people and their beliefs. This affects more people than it is good for. Believe that or not. How many other places have you been to that does NOT charge you a tax on clothes? Because PA doesn't tax clothes. Know why, Albert? Because the PLCB picks up the tab. And on to your "we are controlled when and how and where we purchase alcohol.. " think about it, its really not that bad of an idea. You already see how crazy it gets when people are drunk. Drunk driving accidents (which I was a VICTIM of at the age of 20) drunk people killing others.. and just complete recklessness. Thats with control over the alcohol. I can imagine it would be much more fun with alcohol available at all hours of the night. You seem like someone who would profit from this....

The state is big enough they can asorb that loss. A private investor won't be and won't care.

Jess, i lived in nj where they also do not tax clothes and there are no state liquor stores. The state would not losr tje tax income so i do not see a problem. And modt of the 5000 workers would probably work for the new store owners.

you say "probably" work for the new store owners. Probably is not good enough for me to jump on the band wagon. And for less than what hes making now? And have to pay more in benefits for less quality? Still not jumping on the band wagon. Yes, you are correct, jersey and 3 other states do not charge sales tax. We also do not charge food tax, and tax on some medicines.

I have yet to see one reason, aside from personal job loss, for the PLCB to continue on...

How many stock clerks in any business make $50k per year Including benefits? Ever try asking one of these rude, overpaid clerks to find something for you? I have. Response is, "The computer says there are three bottles of that wine somewhere in the store, but I have no idea where they are. Sorry."

Want something they don't sell? Just call the central number and they can get it for you. So I tried. Clement rum is available in NJ, DE, and CO, the states I checked. The central number reported, "We can't get it. Try again in a few months."

People don't hate union workers. People are sick and tired of making less and paying more for everything. Then you hear union people striking and closing companies belly aching...we don't care that they have to feel the same pinch we've all been feeling. I told Albert not tell you what he did. Jess...you ran with it didn't you! Attack the person not the issue right? Trappe, the rudeness and opinions go both ways..When aLiberal is opinionated they're just passionate. If a conservative is opinionated they are rude and mean. Get over yourselves.

wow. So much.... enough time spent. Im exhausted, sorry folks

@Brooke- I don't know. It does kinda sound like you hate unions.

I never said I didn't hate unions. I said we don't hate UNION WORKERS! Unions served their purpose. I am also SOOO sick of all this belly aching! We all have felt the pinch. Somehow unions are supposed to be immune from it.

Having lived in a state that recently converted from a state store to private store, I noted the following: 1. Prices went up, 2. Prices went up and 3. Prices went up. To be honest, I prefer the state stores to remain open. I do not drink and make a conscientious decision to avoid shopping in areas with state stores present. I personally do not like the idea of having to go to a supermarket with my children and contend with someone who has had something to drink and needs a little more. Or listen to a conversation about plans to become so "wasted" because of a hard day. The best one to date, was the complaint that the price if vodka had gone up and try wished state stores still existed. Yes, these are real examples. As far as Unions are concerned, there are upsides and downsides to both. In their zeal to obtain the best pay and benefits, they can sometimes go too far. But in reality, companies of today, prefer to pay you less than you are worth. If that is not low enough, then they will ship your job overseas if possible. I always find it amusing, when people give their perspective on what a job is worth. Keep that in mind when you move onto your next position.

You don't drink but know the prices have gone up? I doubt prices have increased on most alcohol,unless you lived in an area with little competition ..Prices can vary even within towns,but the prices will be lower,in general

Since Washington State is the only place that converted "recently" (the one before them was 23 years ago) the poster is correct that prices went up due to the legislature adding taxes and fees onto what was the highest tax liquor in the country. Those taxes are set to be reduced in 2014 by law. However, like PA the largest store in the state was about 11,000 sq ft and they now have at least 5 30,000 sq ft superstores with a few more planned. Sales and revenue have gone up too showing that the convenience of having 1500 stores instead of 313 stores they used to have, even with the 22% increase in taxes, has won out over price.in general. Most of the largest stores are able to sell at or slightly below the per-privatization prices and more will follow once the tax bite is reduced but by no means will it be all.

AMAZING. I first visited Allentown in 1970 after visiting the parents of my new wife. Visited semi-annually until I moved here permanently in 1993. Two things were alwsy going to fixed since 1970. The I-22 dangerous congestion and poor entrance ramps. And making the liquor stores privaitized. Amazing that nothing has changed except more: taxes, traffic congestion, legalized gambling, crime, and more promises, and less value for my home.

If the revenue the state makes from selling liquor in its monopoly is your reason for the state keeping control of the liquor business, then why don't we have the state take over the sales of other items to get the revenue? Why not have the state sell all food? Then the state would get even more revenue. Or cars? How about gas stations? Or clothing? For me, I do not care how much revenue the state gets from its liquor monopoly - I'm against it for freedom's sake.

As for the people who will lose their "good paying" jobs... Why don't they take their skill into the market and find a similarly paying job? Oh, you mean working a register and stocking shelves is not a skill that pays similarly in the private job market? That means they are overpaid. Sorry.

they can say alllll they want how its an "unskilled job".. they have no real idea what these workers deal with on a day to day basis. so they can all take their opinions (of how their just shelf stockers and over paid cashiers) and shove it up their ass (OBAMA REMORSE!). I personally know this is NOT all my husband is or does. He is very skilled and KNOWLEDGEABLE of all products in his store. Yes he has knowledge on every single product. And he is NOT one of those rude employees some of you are also referring to. I can go into wawa, walmart or nieman Marcus and still run into rude employees. Stop taking your one or two bad run ins with a rude person out on the whole company.

how about instead of attacking the PLCB WORKERS we start going after the people who DONT work and suck the government dry?! I think thats more of an issue than hard workers being attackes like this!

Albert this is where I can rightfully tell you that you are wrong, and I am STILL correct. Yes, he has knowledge on EVERY single product in the PA stores. I will tell you that you are correct on ONE aspect, and thats "I (Jess) do not know how many skus that is" and thats bc im NOT a plcb employee! My very smart husband would be able to tell you though ;-) im almost tempted to make you two get in touch so he could put you in your place. Same for mr OBAMA REMORCE! Just as trappe resident said, I doubt any of you tough internet guys would dare express this opinion to a PLCB workers face! Next time you need to clench your thirst, just tell that "overpaid cashier" how you really feel!

The idea of privatizing Pennsylvania’s liquor, iam in favor of it, the state should not be running liquor stores. why does not the retail clerks union buy some of the state stores so they can be employee owned and operated ? liquor control board is another group that should dissolved .